Can someone explain to me why I get nauseous when JMo promotes CS, but when Lana says the words Robin Hood, I feel like the world is ending?
Why does it bother me that the View ignored our hundreds of Facebook messages with Emma/Regina questions & GMA ignored the hundreds of Emma/Regina questions…
How about just accept that the writers are going to be taking another direction with the show? I am not going to argue which ship is better, I am just going to say thatg it is their show and it will go the direction that they’re inspired to take.
Let’s look at the TVD fandom for example. Klaroline is a very popular ship which the writers sunk with a baby daddy storyline. Do you know what they did? They stopped watching. Perhaps your time would be better spent watching different shows if the lack of Swen bothers you that much.
Right, because this is all about “sinking a popular ship.” It’s about redefining fairytales to encourage tolerance and diversity. It’s about constantly being baited with the possibility of representation with lead characters only to have a show wimp out AGAIN. Writers aren’t telling these stories because they believe it won’t be profitable, not because it has anything to do with their artistic vision.
Absolutely, boycotting is an option. Many of us already are. My question for the masses was to think about other alternatives we might explore.
You don’t know what the writers are thinking or feeling when they write their story. And it would help if your fandom didn’t attack the writers and accuse them of trying to shut you up when they introduced another queer character. (Mulan)
There’s a theory they were treading the waters with that, but there was so much backlash, not from legit homophobes, but from Swan Queen shippers. Just admit that you only want Swan Queen to happen and not queer representation, otherwise you’d be putting just as much effort into Sleeping Warrior, which is a canon gay ship.
First of all, I posted this to the Swan Queen tag, not the Sleeping Warrior tag. Second, yes, there was a lot of backlash from Swan Queen toward Mulan for a VERY good reason. Mulan is a recurring character that people might see once or twice a season, sort of like Britanna on Glee (except Britanna is on more than Mulan). There’s a saying in lesbian fandom, “always the Britanna, never the Faberry” because a minor recurring character does not have the impact that a core cast member does. A core cast member is someone that the audience cares about. Many folks were quite happy with the idea of Regina/Tinkerbell because even though she wasn’t Emma (and it being Emma adds a whole new layer of plot to the story that has nothing to do with it being a queer romance), Regina was still a *core* character that people cared about.
Also, there is little point in discussing Mulan because Eddy already said she wouldn’t be back at all during S3B & that Aurora & Phillip would be happy with their baby. This would be like the Rizzles fandom throwing in the towel for the two leads just because Frost’s mom had a girlfriend on a “very special gay episode.”
Back when Buffy aired, I was a Fuffy shipper, but I converted to Willow/Tara *because* Willow was still a core character and at the time, I understood the show was too scared to go there with the lead regardless of chemistry.
Nobody told you to “throw in the towel”. Why not take all that effort you have in Swan Queen and put it into Sleeping Warrior, since that ship is more canon and SQ is strictly fanon?
Eddy also said that this isn’t the last we’ve seen of Mulan and Aurora’s relationship and they want to explore it more in season 4. And I have to completely disagree with you on core characters vs recurring, I’d rather have someone that is good representation and a pairing that works rather than one that doesn’t. Also, the only thing the writers learned from your backlash was that you’ll never be happy until you get Swan Queen and only Swan Queen.
It pisses me off that people make SQ a queer issue and think the only reason why it isn’t canon is because of same sex pairing. Less than 1% of the anti SQ folks oppose it because of that. One of the reasons why I oppose it is because Emma will get absolutely nothing out of it other than convenience when it comes to sharing custody. It still doesn’t erase the fact that Regina is the reason why Emma grew up without her parents and in the foster care system. She is why Emma’s whole life was decided for her, I cannot see her being in love with someone who does the things that Regina did. And Regina’s seen Emma as an inconvenience at best, which is why she’s tried to kill her and her family several times.
I would actually resent Swan Queen being representation because Regina is not a role model at all, and I don’t see it working unless Emma’s character was assassinated for the sake of the pairing. She has killed hundreds if not thousands of people, including children, and she sexually assaulted someone for 30+ years, and she’s shown no remorse for any of it. Emma already has a difficult time trusting people, why should she trust someone that never gave her a chance at a happy life? I think Mulan is much better representation, core character or not.
How about this, I defy you to tell me how Swan Queen benefits Emma and only Emma, without mentioning Neal, Hook or Henry for that matter. What will Emma get out of the pairing? Don’t mention same sex pairing either. I managed to come up with 10 reasons why I don’t ship it without mentioning that it’s a same sex pairing. Because as of now, I don’t see it happening unless Emma’s reduced to a plot device for Regina and made to act OOC.
Snow White & Charming put Emma in the box to Maine, which is honestly for the best because they would have “lost” Emma within months even without Regina as an antagonist. Look how quickly they “lost” Henry in the season two finale.
Also, you forgot to mention that Regina is a sexual assault victim who was forced into marital relations with a man old enough to be her grandfather. She was abused by her mother and manipulated by Rumple for decades. If you are going to list all of her faults, at least acknowledge that she didn’t get that way all on her own. The Enchanted Forest was an incredibly misogynistic place, and yes, Regina was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of traitors to the Crown. It was not her best decision, but given the times and the way the Enchanted Forest worked, it was an understandable decision.
Your ten reasons:
1) Emma will get stability. She spent most of her life running from people and responsibility. Regina has kept not just her friends, but her biggest enemies close to her for 30+ years.
2) Emma gets a kindred spirit. “I know her. I believe her.”
3) Emma gets home cooked meals. This may not sound like much, but Regina’s lasagna is renowned.
4) Emma has someone to complain about her parents to when they get clingy or try to replace her with another baby.
5) Emma gets an equal. Emma always rises to challenges that Regina puts in front of her. Also, by Enchanted Forest standards, Regina is royalty, and so is Emma.
6) Emma gets to commiserate with someone about not liking the Enchanted Forest. Emma likes modern conveniences such as indoor plumbing. She didn’t enjoy her stay in the Enchanted Forest because she didn’t fit in any more than Regina did back then.
7) Emma feels needed. Emma has saved Regina on numerous occasions, not just because it is the ‘right thing to do,’ but because it makes her feel useful.
8) Emma gets magic lessons. Everyone else with magic (Rumple, Blue) has ulterior motives when it comes to teaching Emma magic. Regina doesn’t.
9) Emma gets someone who she trusts and trusts her and who she gets emotional over. Emma didn’t believe anyone about the curse, until Regina admitted to her it was real. Emma has said that she doesn’t get emotional over men, but she had a visceral reaction when she thought Regina had betrayed her in Cricket Game and when Regina was giving her good memories in the season 3A finale.
10) Emma gets the most feared woman in all of Storybrooke on her side, and together they are unstoppable. They transcend realms with a simple touch (hat), which is precisely how Rumple describes True Love.
A relationship is not about what someone “gets out of it.” It’s about give and take, and working together as a team. Regardless of who has done what to whom, Emma & Regina fit together like yin and yang, equal yet opposite. P.S. Did I mention how sexy Regina is wearing those Evil Queen outfits? Power is sexy.
Regina is actually a great role model: she is not perfect. She has made some horrendous decisions. She tried to live up to everyone else’s expectations of her and wound up miserable (allegory for the queer experience). Emma loving her both in spite of and because of everything that has happened between them would be a very positive message. The whole ‘it doesn’t matter how horrible you think you are, we love you anyway’ idea. Also, Regina has been working hard to be a better person, and not because she wanted to get in someone’s pants. Admiral Cain from BSG was an example of a queer character who showed absolutely no remorse. Regina says she has no regrets/remorse, but her actions say otherwise.
There is nothing in canon to imply that they would have lost Emma, and they put her in a box because Regina was going to kill her. This is both confirmed by the writers and dialogue. There is also nothing no evidence that Regina and Leopold even consummated their marriage, he just wanted a glorified babysitter. He was still hung up on his dead wife Eva.
She also slaughtered a whole village of people because of her personal vendetta against her step-daughter. Were those children in the village traitors as well? No, Regina’s a psychopath, Emma has even said so herself and was willing to let Regina die until Henry or Snow protested.
But I got sidetracked here, I didn’t mean to argue ships. What I’m saying is don’t make it an LGBT issue, because that isn’t why the writers won’t make SQ happen. When asked about it, not once did the writers say, “Eww! Lesbians!” or said that they’ll never have an LGBT couple. You see Swan Queen as your OTP, the writers disagree with you, but it’s their show!
If you don’t like how the show is going, then don’t watch it anymore. I stopped watching Glee because I felt like it was only inclusive on the surface, and all of the characters were reduced to stereotypes. But you don’t see me bashing the cast and crew or criticizing them, I just stopped watching. There are great shows with queer characters like Queer as Folk, The L Word, Orange is the New Black, Nip/Tuck and Oz. I encourage you to watch those shows instead. And if you want to celebrate your ship, continue to read/write fanfiction and make art. But don’t accuse the cast and crew of something they’re not. You don’t know what they think or feel, one of them could be queer for all you know.